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Thursday, December 07, 2006

The ISG Report

I am not sure what to make of the Iraq Study Group Report. Most of it is actually nothing new. I think in the end Bush will put it in the drawer where it belongs.

The report is supposed to be drafted by the Foreign Policy "Realists" - aka foriegn policy paleocons. These are the same folks who wanted to stay with the British crown during the revolution and wanted to let the South go during the Civil War. They are also the same group who freaked out when Reagan called the Soviets the evil empire. Nothing gets accomplished under the realists approach. They are the George McClellans of history.

Foreign policy realists are to their core anti-American, which is why all of the anti-american groups around the world hailed the ISG report.

Bush's idea for the middle east - to try and create democracies and turn a new leaf in an area that has only known corruption and tyranny for hundreds of years, is still the only new and fresh idea. WHy would we attempt to adopt a realist approach that has already proven in the past to be a failure. Yes, it is turning out to be difficult, but not nearly as difficult as other challenges in the past.

Let's hope Bush sticks it out.

Blogger Scribbler de Stebbing said...

The report was the impetus for Jason Lewis to straighten himself out on the issue. He is now correctly questioning why we, as conservatives, are trying to play policeman to the world.

Jason had been pretty squishy prior to the election, going soft on Pawlenty and Bush. I'm glad he has rediscovered his testicles.

1:02 PM, December 07, 2006  
Blogger Air Marshall said...

Responding to numerous attacks on our people and Nation constitutes "playing policeman to the world"?

8:42 AM, December 08, 2006  
Blogger Scribbler de Stebbing said...

It one thing for us to go after actual terrorists. We are, however, officially in a quagmire, our current stated purpose being the democratization of Iraq, and the only reason we haven't gotten out is because no one knew how to do so while saving face. See Reagan and Beirut. Now there was a wise and humble man, not afraid to do what was right.

4:49 PM, December 09, 2006  
Blogger Air Marshall said...

Well, as our esteemed member Charles Erickson pointed out, democratization can be one of the tools used to fight terror. Also, as has been repeatedly pointed out, it is more fun to fight terrorists over there than over here. In my view the long term damage from just quitting and running is far greater than that incured by trying to make these policies work. Our hasty retreat from other fields of battle has been repeatedly quoted by our enemies as reason for them to believe in ultimate victory.
This "Quagmire" was forseen by Tommy Franks. He states in his book "American Soldier" that in his very first assesment of the proposed invasion of Iraq he estimated it would take at least five years to complete the operation and perhaps as long as a decade, during which there would have to be a significant U.S. troop presence. None of this is a supprise to policy makers. Further, Bush stated in his first speech after 9/11 that the war on terror would long out last his Presidency. I expect it to last another twenty years or more, and the only thing I question is do we as a nation have the inner strength to see it through. If we don't than our way of life will be considerably altered.

11:00 AM, December 10, 2006  
Blogger Scribbler de Stebbing said...

A 200-terahertz computer could be another of the tools, as could a space rocket. Fighting terror with democracy is equally nonsensical and grasping at straws to save face. Enforcing democracy in fact IS playing World Policeman, or God if you'd rather.

Iraq, at least in its current configuration, is not amenable to democracy, even were our imposition proper. We might as well install the Shah in Iran. Carving out three nations would have had a greater chance of success. Now we do not have the credibility for such a feat.

My dear neocon friends, you have all been so well reeducated to toe the Party Line, to not think for yourselves, that you should know you are to parrot Jason Lewis. Step smartly now!

2:49 PM, December 10, 2006  

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